Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections »
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bruhaha11 months, 2 weeks ago
Wish this would get more attention other than the "this can't happen here, this is America" crap you sometimes hear on the mainstream media.
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scriblerus111 months, 2 weeks ago
Have you actually heard anything about election theft in the mainstream media? I've heard very little. At this point I like to hear some boiler plate denials. It would at least keep the sugject in the public mind.
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jordan1111 months, 2 weeks ago
Have you actually heard anything about election theft in the mainstream media? I've heard very little. At this point I like to hear some boiler plate denials. It would at least keep the sugject in the public mind.>>>>
The only thing the faux media reported on was voter fraud...against democrats, of course. Nothing was found after a couple of years. Of course it's still in people's heads that the fraud occurred, because faux news gave more attention to the fraud than to the fact that there was none. Sort of like a newspaper printing a patently false rumor on the front page, then retracting it later buried in the last page.
Election fraud wasn't investigated, despite evidence, because the department of justice is owned by the GOP. Voter fraud against democrats was thrown out there to take people's minds off of it.
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cowboygrandpa11 months, 2 weeks ago
scrilerus1: Why would the party of denial and coruuption want their deeds spread everywhere for all the world to see. They have already lost there majority. The power brokers and thieves who are behind this are scum. I believe if the truth were known they would get lynched. Rightfully so I might add. Since they are trying to take away the justice system and put it in a poltical spectrum. The American people should get a rope so to speak.
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Spadecaller11 months, 2 weeks ago
Elections in the U.S. have become unreliable and corrupt. After the Florida debacle, Gov. Jeb Bush (the great decider's brother) "modified" the voting machines; he legislated for and delivered computerized voting machines that do not provide printable records that can be recounted. ("Lets make screwing with the vote a cleaner operation next time.") That's the real message; isn't it?
We used to condemn 3rd world nations for these kind of inequities. Where do we go from here?
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cowboygrandpa11 months, 2 weeks ago
Spadecaller: The computerized voting machines in CA where I voted had a paper option you could print after voting. The problem is you don't get a copy or a receipt with a corresponding number on it. That is what is needed. Just like any other transaction by computer one should be able to receive a hard copy. With a verifiable receipt number. Not one the election and party officials can nullify or edit to their benefit. I also think all voting places should have equal numbers of representatives from each party to verify the voting taking place is legal and above reproach. We should receive a copy of our final vote to be able to verify what we voted for. That would scare the hel* out of the thieves in both parties.
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miklkit11 months, 2 weeks ago
You are the liar.
http://nightweed.com/angrygirl.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334...
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocra...
http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/1046...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/du...
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Thompso...
The Rolling Stone articles were written by a Kennedy. The one who's plane mysteriously crashed.
http://www.globalcomplexity.org/Deathbyassociat...
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MonkeyBiz11 months, 2 weeks ago
I firmly believe that the software that is used for these machines should be public and certified as genuine prior to using the machines. Allowing the software to be secret and proprietary is a foolish and unnecessary risk to our democracy.
A simple few lines of code could change the outcome of an election in an undetectable way.
For my own amusement I wrote the following Cplusplus function to give Kerry an extra vote for every ten that Bush receives. The propeller comment box doesn't recognize or show the "plus" symbol, so the code appears incorrect.
{
if (int vote = = Bush) //if the vote cast is for Bush
{
int count ; //increase the count by 1
}
if (count = = 10) //if (when) the count reaches 10
{
int vote = Kerry 1; //increase the votes for Kerry by 1
int count = 0; //reset the count to zero
}
return; //start over
}
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cowboygrandpa11 months, 2 weeks ago
MonkeyBiz: Wouldn't this show up as an anomally in the number of votes cast in relation to voters casting a vote? Or does the system merely switch the vote? I'm not really all that familiar with how the programs and systems work. So I am not questioning that it can't be done as it seems it already has. I just don't see how the numbers would match.
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bruhaha11 months, 2 weeks ago
There were instances where more people voted for Bush in certain precincts in Ohio than there were eligible voters as well as other "interesting" problems. Theoretically, yes, the discrepancy would be noted. An undetected method would be to for every 10 votes for bush, one vote taken away and given to Kerry. I am no computer programmer, but I imagine there would be a way to do that as well.
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afoaf11 months, 2 weeks ago
"I firmly believe that the software that is used for these machines should be public and certified as genuine prior to using the machines. Allowing the software to be secret and proprietary is a foolish and unnecessary risk to our democracy."
wise words.
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nostalgia11 months, 2 weeks ago
As I have noted before
Dozens of states have adopted electronic voting technology to comply with federal legislation in 2002 intended to phase out old-fashioned lever and punch-card machines after the "hanging chads" confusion of the 2000 presidential election.
Help America Vote Act (HAVA), enacted in 2002 - provided that up to $325 million be available to states that want to replace their punch card or lever machines
Passed the House 357-48 and 92-2 in the Senate
Seems Congress rushed to correct a problem and fell into the usual trap. They failed to understand the possible consequences of their actions.
As with most of the colossal mistakes made by Congress - it had bipartisan support
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jordan1111 months, 2 weeks ago
Seems Congress rushed to correct a problem and fell into the usual trap. They failed to understand the possible consequences of their actions.>>>>
Congress people can be dunces, that's for sure. In my county, we have the choice of taking a pencil and filling in a circle, over electronic machines. While
I'd prefer a copy to take home, at least if there's a recount, those ballots would be hard to mistake for intent.
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bruhaha11 months, 2 weeks ago
It needs to be set up with 2 copies, one to take home and one to be placed in a box for recounts. What always amazes me are the defenders of the system. They'll say, "but we had recounts." Yeah, but having the machine re-tabulate the vote totals does not count as a re-count in my mind because what is the machine going to do, find votes it missed the first time?
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GHOSTWHOWALKS11 months, 2 weeks ago
True and then wrote a code that inserted itself into the original code. When the machine was turned on and used it registered more votes for one party than were actually cast. In another instance, the code hid inside the original code completely indistinguishable from the original. Amazing? No. In fact someone testified that he had written such a program for a member of the senate. I cannot remember the name of the gentleman but he was from Florida.
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cowboygrandpa11 months, 2 weeks ago
It depends upon who you talk to. Some will say it can't be done. There are to many evil and corrupt powerful people out there. I say bring it on. I love my country and what it stands for. You are not going to continue to cheat our nation. We are fighting a phony war in Iraq for oil. We should be fighting the true war of corruption right here. Waiting for the corrupt spinners to come in and spin wildly.
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willottica11 months, 2 weeks ago
A much more sophisticated method of vote-manipulation with touch-screens is much less traceable. Almost all touch-screens register the touch in a slightly different place than it occurred. I've used some that register almost a full button higher than what is desired.
What happens if the machine consistently records the touch as being higher on the screen than it really is? Candidates with the physically higher button get more 'accidental' votes. And if your 'confirm' button is also higher than your 'correct' button, you end up with 'accidental' confirmations also.
Much less traceable, because it looks like a hardware error, but could actually be a false calibration of the machine.
(Even just by shrinking the clickable size of the button, a candidate with a larger clickable area will get extra votes)
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willottica11 months, 2 weeks ago
That's before you get into making machines in certain areas harder to use, thus increasing the time it takes to vote and the line-ups to use the voting machines, and decreasing the number of votes cast in those areas.
"Oops, 20% of our computers are down" is an easy and untraceable way of killing almost 20% of the vote at a particular polling station. People will grumble, but given that they are familiar with computer technology's unreliability, it's not a situation that would immediately raise concern. And it would be very difficult to observe a trend that the more reliable machines are sent to areas more likely to vote a certain way.
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johnnyt11 months, 2 weeks ago
rejected or not how can you be sure that your vote was even counted.
untill everyone has the opportunity to go to a government building, website or any other source and can independantly verify that their vote was counted and correct this could always be a problem. even at that point manipulation could be possible, but we as a society have never known that our vote was actually counted because once you ballot is out of your hands there is no way to confirm it made it to be counted.
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nostalgia11 months, 2 weeks ago
Are you equally outraged by this:
All absentee voters must be identified as such by name and residence in the precinct poll books of the precinct in which they are registered. Over 100 precinct poll books in Trumbull County were checked for absentee voters and that number of actual absentee voters was compared to the certified number of absentee votes. There was an inflated difference in nearly every precinct of the five communities examined. The five communities whose poll books were carefully inspected for an absentee vote overcount are: Warren City (311), Howland TownshipThe 106 precincts of these five Ohio communities, about 39% of all precincts in Trumbull County, netted a total of 580 absentee votes for which there were no absentee voters identified in the poll books.
"When there are more votes than voters, there is a big problem" stated Dr. Werner Lange, author of this study
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nostalgia11 months, 2 weeks ago
OR
Ohio's voter-registration rolls contain more than 120,000 duplicate names, and an untold number of ineligible voters, such as people who have moved out of the state. A review of the rolls by the Columbus Dispatch even found a murder victim and two suspected terrorists among the eligible.
OR
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Nearly 12,000 people in Cuyahoga County cast votes illegally on Election Day, without signing the election books or, likely, showing identification as required by a new state law.
In 533 of the 570 voting precincts in Cuyahoga County, more voters cast ballots Nov. 7 than signed in, according to board records.
poll workers assigned to give voters computer cards to operate the touch-screen voting machines failed to make sure that the voters had signed in and showed identification.
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nostalgia11 months, 2 weeks ago
You can find voter fraud in almost every state
It doesn't matter if the voting machine don't count your vote or if an ineligible voter, in effect, cancels out your vote. Either way your vote doesn't matter
Unless we really tighten up the voting processs in this country, we are no better than the third world countries where mysterious ballot boxes turn up and decide the election
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jovial11 months, 2 weeks ago
Klarissa, i found this story. It says the some of the machines will be recertified, but a new list of stringent standards have been put on the manufacturers.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070806-c...
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wildman655711 months, 2 weeks ago
We need paper ballots. They can be stored and produced for recounts. When they are counted, observers from all parties can watch and confirm the results. No doubts and no hacking.
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repealthe22ndbush200811 months, 2 weeks ago
My favorite asinine remark thus far in the alleged GOP vote fraud:
"As things are right now, no one outside Diebold is allowed to see the hard drive."
Yeah, that's why in 2004 Kerry won and in 2006 both House seats switched from GOP to Dem in the only state that used DIEBOLD's exclusively. Get real.
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bruhaha11 months, 2 weeks ago
And what state are you referring to? Kerry won every state he was expected to win. You obviously have little faith in the "intelligence" of the GOP if you believe that they would try to rig the vote in a state that is expected to go to Kerry. If they managed to rig an election in a state that was supposed to go to Kerry, it would be a lot harder for bush supporters like you to "defend". Your comments are typically the asinine ones.
WHy don't you get real and accept that your president used trickery, intimidation, election fraud, etc. Amazing that in 2004 all the "errors" by the electronic voting machines seemed to favor bush. An the electronic voting machines really weren't the main problem. The main problem was the 100,000 of provisional ballots that weren't counted due to various efforts by the GOP via caging, sending notices to voters telling them the wrong voting station, etc.
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